Green schemes

[Green Living]

Hi everbody

Does anyone want to create green schemes and what ideas do people have?

[Corey]

the term scheme seems a bit malicious in nature. Where green solutions would imply using green methods to fix a problem.

[FabianPattberg]

Welcome to the forum Green Living.

What do you mean by Green Schemes? Could you give us more information?

Thanks.

[Corey]

I think the green scheme is like the carbon offsetting which is to easy to slip over to green washing which is really bad. Often times green washing is more damaging to the environment as well.

Maybe need to change the wording?? to Green Solutions to environmental sustainability? or just "green solutions?" This way you eliminate the loop holes and prevent abuses of people good meaning to change our destructive ways.
As you can see there are too many ways to interpret the word this is why it is so popular among businesses. It covers there cheek when they go to court for miss leading the consumer or public and in some cases even the leadership is misinformed.

note number "2"

Maybe need a definition of "scheme"

WordNet - Cite This Source scheme

noun
1. an elaborate and systematic plan of action
2. a statement that evades the question by cleverness or trickery [syn: dodge]
3. a group of independent but interrelated elements comprising a unified whole; "a vast system of production and distribution and consumption keep the country going" [syn: system]
4. an internal representation of the world; an organization of concepts and actions that can be revised by new information about the world [syn: schema]
5. a schematic or preliminary plan [syn: outline]

verb
1. form intrigues (for) in an underhand manner
2. devise a system or form a scheme for

WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.
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[matthewtrigg]

With no offense to you or what you are trying to achieve, the use of the term 'green' has become fashionable. This brings with it a temporary and selective nature rather than one of change and progress.

As evidenced by this forum, terms like 'sustainability' are much more applicable and have far greater resistance to being seen as a trend or phase.

[founder]

Originally Posted by Green Living

Hi everbody

Does anyone want to create green schemes and what ideas do people have?

Most important is to produce the energy for housing and mobility by the house.

Here a report about a plus-energy-village in Germany

Plus energy settlement in Freiburg

To buy a good car is today a big problem. Just tell every car dealer

NO PLUG - NO DEAL

A good car has to have the possibilty to drive at last 100km with electric power alone.

There are some good cars, but just right now only delivered to big users like 10.000 units to the french post.

Renault Kangoo Plug-in-Hybrid car

Until this cars are available to the end user, just reduce the car usage by an electric scooter

Scooter

So the most important parts of a sustainable strategy:

The roof of the house should produce enough electric power and heat
Photovoltaic or solar collector

* housing
* mobility
* to deliver to the industry enough clean produced electric power, that the industry can produce the goods, we consume.

[Corey]

Originally Posted by matthewtrigg

With no offense to you or what you are trying to achieve, the use of the term 'green' has become fashionable. This brings with it a temporary and selective nature rather than one of change and progress.

As evidenced by this forum, terms like 'sustainability' are much more applicable and have far greater resistance to being seen as a trend or phase.

I am going to assume the no offense was to the original poster of this thread.

Even the sustainability needs to be expanded to eliminate the fad or intentional misinterpretation Like using "Environmental Sustainability" There is no real work around, or loop holes that I can see that can be twisted for the soul purpose of profit or fad. Sustainable soap Vs Environmentally Sustainable soap Is an example. Environmentally sustainable goes beyond whether the ingredients are available or not in a renewable manor, but also where is the source of the ingredients and the amount of travel from beginning to end. You defeat the meaning of sustainable soap by buying it from 1/2 way around the world especially when the ingredients originated in your own state and was shipped to someplace like China made into bars and sent back for consumption in small quantities.

Founder: we need to reduce consumption, not increase it by trying to replace everything we currently use. The things we can't do without make as efficient as possible in the largest % increase steps as possible. Example refrigerator that improves efficiency by 80-90% Because a refrigerator lasts 20-50 years and due to over population it is a necessity to have one at least in the industrial world. Thus buy one that last to minimize the total resources used in a 20-50 year cycle. eliminate the step to improvements such as buying a new refrigerator every couple of years for a 10-20% efficiency improvement at each purchase. you have wasted the resources of the multitude of refrigerator building materials. Those small step efficiency improvements are a serious waste of resources in other words.

Check out "sun frost" as a prime example of a more environmentally sustainable product I am not sure of the company itself though I was just using the product itself as an example. The company was established by a solar power enthusiast group.

[shamsa merchant]

how to take action, individually we all try to do something which is in our limits. How can we stop people who are not aware?

[founder]

Originally Posted by shamsa merchant

how to take action, individually we all try to do something which is in our limits. How can we stop people who are not aware?

Since You are from Pakistan, there had been attempts to stop 2 stroke engines rickshas.

They should be replaced by 4 stroke engine CNG rickshas.

But there had been so much protests against this, that the government took back the law.

So there is a problem. 4 stroke engine CNG rickshas are still not sustainable, but far better than 2 stroke gasoline rickshas.

Ideal would be electric rickshas powered by renewable energy, but neither photovoltaic industry (0,4 Watt per earth inhabitant 2006) nore the industry for lithium batteries is developt enough.

So the first step, explain small credits for rickshas, make them available,
that they can save money by grading up to 4 stroke CNG rickshas.

Maybe in 5 years, the next step can be done, grade up to electric rickshas.

[shamsa merchant]

I agree, the government can not make laws, people do not obey laws, implementation authorities are failed. is something left
yes, just the will of some motivated people.