Chemtrails in our skies over head in Rochester.

[Corey]

The "HOLMESTEAD" - Chemtrails: points to ponder - insider stories?
I put this link for this is the first site that I ran into that went into detail by eye witness account.

I did not want to believe this conspiracy theory until this 7-14-07 and 7-15-07 when I witnessed it going on right over down town Rochester.

Two different planes where flying parroell(misspelled word sound out) one had the normal contrail that dissipated in a short time of a minute or so.

The other which had the Chem-trail behind it was about 5-10minutes ahead of the normal contrail had left a trail across the entire sky. the Chem trail continued to expand into a dispersed cloud perfectly straight line. after though dispersal it kind of looks like eye lashes stringy.

the cloud in nature looked stringy in its wisps and floated downwind to create a hazy layer that looked a bit thready. I saw about 5 -8 of these in various levels if dispersal in almost perfect rows.

The normal clouds will look like white cotton balls and fluffy in random patterns in the sky not in a perfect row after row.

I have started noticing a pattern in my chest discomfort and sinusitis going in time with these fake clouds. Especially on the days it is particularly hazy not from humidity. Yes it could be smog from city pollution, but if it was smog then why not smog everyday, pollution is the same from day to day for the most part isn't it?

The trails were going east to west. spacing was very even too from one to the next.

I don't have a camera if I did I would photo them as proof. All I can say keep your eyes up and you may witness it in action like I did this weekend.

The reason I bothered to post it is due to the potential toxic nature of the mix used ass you will see mentioned throughout the sites linked.

I did not want to believe it I still don't want too, for the potential impact and meaning of such a project as the
"shield project."

here are a few more links about it the first is the conspiracy theory
Chemtrail conspiracy theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Chemtrails - Frequently Asked Questions
Chemtrails, an Introduction
Chemtrail Central

I added in this link too I have read it this is one site that makes me want to disbelieve chem-trails are not happening. It is only fair to put contradictory info in here as to let you as the reader make up your own mind.
CHEMTRAILS

I guess the reason for putting both "for" and "against" chem-trails is to show I am undecided as to the "WHY it is there" and just stating I had witness the chem-trail spraying and leaving it at that.



PS Johnny I know your going to say I was witnessing shield project in action.
I still don't completely believe and I am only stating I witnessed chem-trails in action.

If what you said was true I bought a PS3 :( try to get some enjoyment from what is left of life if the shield project is true.

I do everything else to eliminate my foot print as possible. 80-90% of produce I buy local so far.
Or buy in bulk to eliminate packaging.
I don't drive or travel.
etc.

[Johnny Electriglide]

I first found out by extensively going through the links in this article
Devvy Kidd -- Contrails: Killing us softly?

I even found a picture of the pressure tanks system used for chemical mixing and polymer string production, mounted in both civilian airliners, military planes, and unmarked white airliner type jets. The odd, widening, cloud forming contrails were first witnessed in the late 90's, and the disinformation process started. In the above article, the clincher was in the doctor's reports and water analysis reports of elevated aluminum oxides, and especially barium salts of the toxic soluble type. The polymer fibers would keep the clouds up longer and wider, but as they fell, trapped mold spores. This increased mold on the ground and allergies from that mold. Since, they have added anti-mold chemicals too.
The financing is black ops and goes into our 9 trillion National Debt along with paying for illegals for business interests' profits/contributions, and the expense of 180k 200k/yr. contractors in Iraq (they outnumber the soldiers).
The benefit is 4*F cooling average over the US, Canada, Europe and Russia. This is while the fossil fuel industry continues to heavily profit, and the people don't have the incentive to go to alternative energy systems or change their hog lifestyles.

[Corey]

I have read the same info regarding photos and make up of said Pressure tanks as well.

Sad thing is I posted this exact message on my local sustainability site and I had it locked because of the "conspiracy theory" category. Thus it is being moderated and may be deleted. :(

I was just pointing out to the local folks what I witnessed This past weekend when two planes were in the sky at the same time one leaving a chem-trail while the other did not.

Since I do not have a means to prove it one way or other I offered links to both sides of the issue to let people make up there own minds.

For now it is still a conspiracy theory with no proof in the civilian sector.

So folks other than What Johnny is suggesting what's going on?

The question becomes what does this have to do with sustainability?
The implications is what its about. We need info so as to make the right choices in our lives and to know why it is done. If it is done because of our bad habits then would it not make sense to change said habits instead of continuing to poison our environment as is?

[Johnny Electriglide]

There are many thousands who know of the Shield Project, witnessed it, had allergic reactions, and have seen the Al and Ba spikes in their water supplies, and diminished crop yields from shading over farm areas close to the big city heat sources. What it has to do with sustainability is that it masks the problem of global warming so people don't do anything about it. The figures many have are 1/4 the actual warming or less, which skews the projections, people like the UN use these lower figures which are really absurd. The big oil and coal industry keeps going when they should not. To them the profits of now outweigh the lives of future children (sustainability). When the Shield Project stops because of lack of fuel or funding, the sudden temperature rise that could have been mitigated if people went solar in the 1990s, will show its deadliness. The spraying is taking away from efforts to reduce greenhouse emissions because it doesn't look as bad as it is in reality. Reducing greenhouse gas emissions to what the natural biosphere can absorb is a big part of sustainability.

[Corey]

new link that mades it way to my email via care2

German tv exposes chemtrails........

[Patrick]

Holy shit that is scary. I had no idea they have gone so far. Any more info?

[Johnny Electriglide]

Atmospheric shading from dirty coal plants and countries with no emissions standards also has a big effect. For instance, the northern 90% of the Maldive Republic has now got 20% solar loss from shading by pollution from India, with attendant crop yield reductions. Other areas average 10% from the soot, or they are sprayed with the Shield or Albedo Project variably with conditions.
Even with this shading and albedo change, the temperatures are still going up. Soot settles out and only goes downwind with some global, and the Shield is only over certain areas. When we hit peak oil and the world economy tanks, the emissions will also go down, with the warming showing itself much more. By then it will be too late to stop the ELE and the methane feedback loop will be well established and impossible to stop until all of the Earth's methane is "turned over", with millions of years for recovery time. The Gulf Stream stoppage, and the Krakatoa then Yellowstone super volcano eruptions in 1500 and 2000 years, will not bring the previous glacial epoch cycle back for millions of years. New species will dominate, and may or may not develop something with "intelligence".
I would have to say that the average human intelligence has caused the species to be self-eliminating.

[Corey]

Originally Posted by Patrick

Holy shit that is scary. I had no idea they have gone so far. Any more info?

For now the only info is available in the conspiracy theory sections of society.

Read the homestead link in that they been researching and living it for years. I am new to it.....