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Old 20-01-2007, 08:25 PM
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Dear All,

Just a quick comment for now.

Being furvent about a cause, and promoting solutions, does not necessarily imply that the proposed solutions are correct. I we really wish to get solutions correct, and not to fall for fashion, then it is essential to both check what we are doing and proposing, and be aware of ALL of the consequences of the proposals in question.

Producing a Carbon rationing/trading schemes will require massive resource/infrastructure to be created to support and police the proposal. This requires planetary resource, and the full mining and manufacture processes required in produing such a system.

Similarly, providing so-called "Renewable Energies", currently largely employs non-Renewable material and production resources, and can merely help maintain ways of doing things, in a "wanted" and unbalanced lifestyle. More gadgets, more computers, etc... And we are setting a reference standard for other countries that simply cannot be supported planetarily.

No. The only viable solution must receive priority first. It is amending people's awareness, behaviours, expectations, and livelihoods. INstead of skirting the real issues, and providing temporary and blinkered solutions to symptoms, it is necessary to go straight to the cause of EVERY adverse issue our species and societies face - how we think, and the belief systems from which each of us operates and acts. Genuine living and survival skills MUST be the basis for every human being, first. Luxuries are a dim last.

Fashionable solutions might be popular, gain much money, occupy us heavily, make us feel good, but they frequently MISS THE ENTIRE POINT in their blinkered one-subject-at-at-time approach. They, as with Jedi unwittingly assisting the Empire, can indeed simply reinforce the adverse ways of living, howsoever well-meant or engaging of one's time, but by a different name.

Please please please can you check YOUR work, idea premises, actions, proposals etc, and think beyond just the symptom that you wnat to address, to EVERY consequence of your proposals. Human Society may have ways of doing things, that people want to abide by, but Nature does not exhibit such arbitrary standards, and will smash right through such holes in thinking that are not grounded.

Many of you are supporting the existing premise, the existing way of doing things, or proposing seemingly-good presnet and future solutions, but that are actually too focussed (blinkered), and miss or choose not to care about their wider planetary, ecosystem, basic survical skill, and relationship consequences. Consequently, you may be "working for the wrong side", yet in good faith, and very hard (long hours, much effort, etc...).

Please Please PLease can you check your idea's and work's premises, so that they ARE NOT FASHIONABLE, but come from Nature's perspective, rather than Human Society's. Else, the Consequences will be nothing other than severe, as Nature can thrash Human Society in a blink of an eye. It, is where we must be coming from, NOT the other way around.

I mean this well, and hope that it can be read and taken in such a light. I care for each of you, but know many incorrect and fashionable decisions and subsequent efforts are being made. Have the strength, the guts, to stand up for what Nature needs, not what Human Society and Science research fashionably desires. Only then, when a Natural non-Human basis becomes inherent, can Human advancement continue, to develop Spacecraft or any other item...sustainably... NOT before!!!

Many are getting it wrong, in the name of recyclable, renewable, and sustainable practices. PLease, check you work, and have the sincere guts, and your innate talents, to do so!!!

Very Very Best Wishes,

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Old 21-01-2007, 02:05 AM
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don't understand your point? - bit rambling perhaps? what should we do?

The big underlying problem is global overpopulation, is that where you're going with this?
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If overpopulation is a problem, then what are we going to do to solve that? By and large, the overpopulations occur in the developing world, and it's been shown historically that as national incomes increase, natural birth rates decline... so shouldn't development aid to the developing world be considered part of the response to climate change?
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