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Old 31-05-2007, 11:49 PM
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Agree with sustainable lifestyle, when you really come down to it. That is what the whole humbug is about. What kind of lifestyle will I have vs what I have to give up or modify. This may be the biggest factor for Americans with exception of me. I would rather have simple living over the excessive garbage I am currently surrounded by.
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Old 04-06-2007, 09:55 PM
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Default Preaching to the converted.

First, a note. I dont like this interface. I have a far bigger window to arrange text in with my own email tools. It'd be far more efficient for me to receive the postings in my regular email. I have the tools to compile them all in a directory on my drive, consult what they have to say, then respond. This online interface cont let me do that.

Feel free to send me email on your opinions; daybrown uses the hughes.net email server.

We usta do this back on some of the BBS nets. ONLY there, I could use ANSI to colorize the postings. Those from the moderator mite be red, your post would have green letters, a troll I dont much bother with mite be barf pink, and so on.

The LOSS of functionality as millions of idiots and trolls came on line, along with all the spam, is reflective in part to http://dc-pc.org/malaise/malaise.html which suggests, among other things, that the irrationality is pandemic, and that much of it is do to raising the last couple of generations on sugar cereals and junkfood.

Its not like rational discourse in these postings is going to get thru to them. I'm all for sustainability, but we are not going to get there in a way that wont disturb other liberal sensibilities. Power elites always mismanage the resource base. And when that mismanagement reduces supplies, the elites, rather than cutting back to buy time to look for real solutions, out of their own instinctive gruop think actually *INCREASE* their exploitation of the lower classes. This destabilizes the system. Sometimes the empire merely sheds unprofitable provinces, as we now say, 'failed states', and (bread & circuses) beer & baseball do on like always, with a market, but still endurable lifestyle for the lower classes.

Other times, it leads to revolution and total "Collapse" as Jared Diamond goes into in his latest book. but either way, vast numbers in most of the world will die of famine, pandemic, and violence. Draconian law will be attempted in the great pwoer centers of the developed world, which may, or may not work. Never before has tyranny been imposed without more control over the flow of information that is now possible electroncially.

But the internet is a fragile system that could use a backup. Course, that'd only be useful if there is someone else rational enough to be worth a dialogue. When Adlai Stevenson was told that he had the "Thinking man's vote", the gov replied:"Yes, but I need a majority". And the question is, what the demagoguery selected by that majority will do to us all. History suggests it can get a lot worse.

There is no way in hell that anything reasonable that any of us here have to say will have any effect on the outcome at all. We'd do well to quit rating about what needs to be done, and think about what we need to do to cope with whatever it is that is coming down whether we like it or not.
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Hi daybrown.

Thanks for your feedback.

Some questions in return:

1) What do you mean with user interface? Do you mean the reply function and editor when you create or answer to a topic?

2) So the other point you make in the 2nd paragraph to the end is about that it does not make any difference to discuss sustainability topics because no action follows?
Please clarifiy if that is your point and why not start a thread on this in the main forum? This suggestions thread is not really the right place for it.

Hope this helps and let me know what your answers are.

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Yeah, I dunno how much control you have over this interface. This text window it lets me write in is but 10% of the total screen area. All the rest is filled with clutter. If I tried to respond to this with t-bird, I could at least split the screen vertically, leave most of your post on one side, while I compose a reply on the other.

the same kind of thing we usta do with pen in hand replying to letters. Here, I havta scroll down to see what else has been written in the thread, and cannnot make notes about it in the reply window until after I scroll back up.

I dunno how much control you have over the user interface. I've seen some hosts which split the screen horizontally so that you could scroll thru the postings leaving what you had already written in reply on the top side of the screen. But they too have small text windows so you can only see a few lines of text.

This is nuts. At least for those who wish to carry on rational discourse and have attention spans that exceed the average 100 words of a paragraph. I dare say that those of us who want to maximize content would be glad to do without the space wasted on a menu of trivial smileys.

The problem is so common that I am working on a solution, part of which can be seen in the ANZI text at http://dc-pc.org. And yes, I'll be glad to start another thread in another forum. In the meantime, I'll use another text editor to compose further posts where I can see the entire post to make sure I covered the intended posts and avoided redundancy, and then when ready, simply past it in this window, which is too small to do that.
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Oh ya. the damn thing keeps timing out, and I havta log in again to post.
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your time out when replying then posting can be fixed by clicking on the remember me box when posting a reply and it asks you to sign in. it did that to me at first till i clicked on that box.

I suspect the reason it times out is that the connection is intentionally cut so as not to be using energy to keep a constant live connection. So by doing the above every time you reply it will automatically sign you in so you don't have to keep doing it.
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Hi guys.

Corey you are absolutely right.

What also do before posting longer text is to copy/paste it into a word document. That also helps.

Also when it times out asks you resign in again, do not sign in on the top right corner but in the middle of the screen. you will otherwise lose the content.

hope this helps.
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