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Originally Posted by natureguy
I am not suggesting that EPA doesn't do anything valuable.
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No, I did not mean you were suggesting that - it was more about the attitude of some of the "environmental groups". To some extent, they seem to take for granted, the existence of such agencies as the EPA. Despite all the faults and shortcomings of entities such as the EPA, having them for the past 35+ years is better than nothing.
Regardless of what these agencies are authorised to do in principle, their realistic function (in all countries, not just the US), often amounts to little more than an advisory capacity - they can do all this research and publish information and guidelines, but at the end of the day, they cannot force anybody to do the right thing, and where and when they attempt to use their authority to rigidly enforce regulations, they are likely to be accussed of using "dictatorial tactics reminiscent of a police state" against the farmers.
If the scientists/technocrats do not have the will or ability to set the relevant standards for agricultural pollution in a timely manner - it would make more sense for the "environmental groups" to lobby the farmers' organisations and even the individuals themselves. It is not as though the agriculturalists are not usually environmentally conscious people.
The point about the EPA is that the data they have collected on the Gulf of Mexico (where publicly available) can be used by the groups to assist in lobbying the farmers using "moral suasion", to at least try to meaningfully transmit the message that pollution prevention practices are not meant to penalize them (for the sake of some birds and butterflies), but that the cumulative effects of unsustainable agricultural practices is (or appears to be) much more widespread than is apparent.
However, there is too much of a tendency for these environmental groups to use a combination of "treehugger" tactics mixed with continuous litigation aimed at the "paper" agencies such as the EPA. That does not seem to be an effective means of achieving tangible results, but (coincidentally?) is very good for giving the groups (and their key individuals) media publicity.
But in any case passing laws, regulations and effluent standards will not make the pollution disappear. That is an important part of the solution, but there is much more.
In terms of the political aspects, the US EPA probably has much more power vested in it, than similar agencies in many other countries, but the higher degree of authority in practice makes them more vulnerable to the forces of corruption.