global warming is not human caused paper

[isenhand]

Here’s an interesting paper that argues that global warming is not human caused.

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[MikeTV]

Originally Posted by isenhand

Here’s an interesting paper that argues that global warming is not human caused.

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That paper was published in the "Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons". Exactly why doctors should consider themselves expert in climate change is unclear - until you realise that it is the journal of a politically conservative right-wing association. Some past articles and commentaries published in that journal have argued:

• that the Food and Drug Administration and Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services are unconstitutional

• that "humanists" have conspired to replace the "creation religion of Jehovah" with evolution

• that HIV does not cause AIDS

• that the "gay male lifestyle" shortens life expectancy by 20 years.

A 1966 article in the New York Times described the organization as an "ultra-right-wing... political-economic rather than medical" group, and asserted that historically some of its leaders had been members of the John Birch Society.

You can find out more about them and their politics here: Association of American Physicians and Surgeons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mike.

[MartinSykes]

Climate change isn't 'human caused'. It's *probably* 'human exacerbated'.

With no human input there have been ice ages in the past and there will be again. It's almost a moot point whether change is caused by us or something else - it's something the human race will have to deal with either way.

Sustainability isn't about finding a balance to avoid change - it's about maintaining a balance despite change. We need to sort out our energy use, transport and agriculture because we can't carry on as we are regardless of the climate. If the climate is stable for the rest of eternity we will still run out of oil and tens of millions of people will continue to die every year from starvation and thirst.

I'm just worried that if we focus too much on CO2 emissions and climate change we are taking our eye off the bigger picture. Reducing consumption isn't just about reducing climate emissions - it's also about weaning ourselves off increasingly scarce natural resources.

[Corey]

No Comment in that if it was nature and not us, we are screwed and immoral people would blame everything we are destroying by our activity on nature.

I hope you don't agree with this link isenhand......


As martin says there are plenty of other reasons to take action.

It just so happens that the things needing changing effect climate and the environment to a certain degree anyway. so lets do those things for those other reasons asap Because plants and wildlife need time to adapt and we are speeding the process to the point they don't have enough time to adapt. Polar bears are a prime example.

[rc white]

In ecology there is a curve called the logistic curve that is found to apply where a small population in a particular locality grows to the carrying capacity of that environment.
Systems that transition from one stable state to another generally have "s" shaped curves of this sort.
Our discussion is largely based upon what end point stable state is our planets climate transitioning to ? and what can we do about it ?
The debate on climate change really began when space probe data indicated that Venus might have undergone a runaway green house event transitioning from an earth like climate to the one it has today, given the otherwise similarity between the planets, the question is bound to arise, can it happen on earth?
The probability of a second Venus is by research I have seen remote but we don't have to go very far towards it for human life to be untenable on this planet.
Most people do not seem to realize that these are exponential effects that in climate change are caused by stabilizing negative feedback being turned into unstable positive feedback, just like a bad public address system, in these the upper bound is limited by the audio amplifiers power, this may be likened to the situation on Venus.
Exactly where the upper stable state of the earths system is no one knows for sure, but if we continue to pour green house gases into its atmosphere we will surely find out.
I also remember a report that when Ronald Reagan asked his advisers about this type of thing he was told not to worry about it because Armageddon was at hand and the righteous, (i.e. the right wing of the Republican party), would soon be all raptured up and be with God.
Judging by some of the material refered to in this forum, and the utterances of George W and his cronies: not much has changed.

[isenhand]

Originally Posted by Corey

I hope you don't agree with this link isenhand......

Its ok I don't.

[isenhand]

Originally Posted by rc white

I also remember a report that when Ronald Reagan asked his advisers about this type of thing he was told not to worry about it because Armageddon was at hand and the righteous, (i.e. the right wing of the Republican party), would soon be all raptured up and be with God.
Judging by some of the material refered to in this forum, and the utterances of George W and his cronies: not much has changed.

I suppose in the end we get what we deserve!

It so sad in away as we have the potential to do something far better.

[Johnny Electriglide]

Guys like Reagan and George W., the compassionate to the point of over-compassion, and also the tolerant to the point of over-tolerance, they aren't real conservatives. Teddy Roosevelt was. Over-population was known and preventable as a means of our species demise back in the 1960s, but they didn't believe us. Nixon addressed Congress on it twice and was the only President to do so. The people leading in the denial of man-made global warming are the ones profiting the most. It crosses political party lines with the corruption on both sides. The Christians want their Rapture, and it will come in the form of a horrible drawn out population crash. The denial and inadequate measures will over-take the tipping point and we will head toward not a Venus event, but closer in stabilization to the Eocene Max. This would disrupt the Milankovitch cycle for several million years, most likely. An ELE from a geologic standpoint--all caused by one semi-intelligent species.

[isenhand]

Originally Posted by Johnny Electriglide

The people leading in the denial of man-made global warming are the ones profiting the most.

I think that’s a good point. There’s lots of money to be made out of this. And so long as it doesn’t happen soon we can carry on making money!

Trouble is, its people living later this century that will suffer. I hope we can work on an alternative to this money driven world so we can achieve a better future.


.ui

[Babysittah]

Originally Posted by isenhand

I think that’s a good point. There’s lots of money to be made out of this. And so long as it doesn’t happen soon we can carry on making money!

Trouble is, its people living later this century that will suffer. I hope we can work on an alternative to this money driven world so we can achieve a better future.


.ui

Yep, dude, me completely agree with you. But it won't help as war begins and who knows ...