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Originally Posted by Karl
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Originally Posted by Corey
Fix Men after their first child (why men? it takes women some time once pregnant before they can bear again. men can go from women to women if we need a sudden boost in population.) . at least for the time being till population comes down.
(fix - no children)
Its unfortunate that it has to come to these step but what else is their when we refused to control our population on an individual basis?
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This may all sound good in theory - but how can things like these be regulated in a practical way? Over-regulation of society as a final solution to the "refusal of people to control population on an individual basis" has never worked in the past, and is extremely unlikely to work in the future. Population-economics of that variety is not as simple as planning for natural resource use. The arguments against your expressed solutions, will be put forward by your opponents on the basis of social, political, cultural (and some would even say moral) dimensions, that would prevent such measure from ever being considered.
I am not denying or overlooking the very real problems which face the question of sustainability - food crisis, energy crisis, environmental uncertainty (weather/climate) and all varieties of crime and corruption, but the fact remains that history will demonstrate that all experiments of formal state-sponsored social engineering have always failed. Individual leaders may have at times appeared to have come close to taking over-regulation to the point of absolute dominance almost to a practical reality, but these have seldom if ever outlived the leader (a most recent example perhaps in Turkmenistan).
Survival and propagation of Homo sapiens is fundamentally and irrevocably entrenched in our DNA as a species - no amount of reasoning, logic and preaching on the basis of environment, resources, climate, sustainability, etc could ever convince the majority of what you recommend... |
Alternative is extinction. China had or has a policy regarding one child family and if they break it the parents go to jail for the life time of the child, while that child is alive.
The only other alternative it to Halt economic growth in order to reduce the consumption of resources of the individual to a level that earth can actually support.
If we don't listen to nature and the rules nature applies then we are doomed.
We need to stop changing the environment to meet our needs and start coexisting with it.
example of changing is the dam proposed for the amazon river that brazil just gave approval for. Coexisting is reducing the consumption of resources so as not to strain the environment any further than we have.
If we keep accelerating the way we currently are with the unrealistic actions of economic growth and creating supposed green tech that is not, WE WILL GO EXTINCT IN MY LIFE TIME, I am only 34.
making excuses because of our DNA or any other term like "natural cycle of earth" sound like defeatist or an escape clause to go on as usual. Our actions of manipulation of our environment IS NOT A NATURAL CYCLE.